THE KNUCK

THE KNUCKLEHEAD SALOON => THE GUNFIGHTERS REST => Topic started by: McClean on July 01, 2011, 10:34:40 PM

Title: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 01, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
:)

A couple of weeks ago, Richo did an upgrade to SMF 2.0.

SMF, (Simple Machines Forum,) is the software that makes everything around here work.

It was a necessary and I'm sure not easy upgrade but it fucked over some of what Richo had customized for the old 1.x line.

On top of which, Richo is a bit time poor at the moment and so I've been tasked with giving the Knuck a bit of a touch up.

Over the next few days, I'm either going to find us a new theme and customize it, or take a hammer to the CSS for the current one.

I'm thinking a new theme, specifically designed for 2.0 would be easier, but I've not really delved into it yet.

Also, I do not have and do not want access to the server. That's not just Knuck, it's all of Dudeworld.com.au and I simply would not want that level of access, even if it was offered.

That however means I have to be a bit careful in that if I break something from the admin panel, I have to hand it over to Richo to fix and that would rather defeat the purpose of my being an admin.

I'm going to setup a test forum, hosted on a server I have access to and try out new themes there.

I'd appreciate any help in testing new themes before I pick one to go live with here.

I'll post a link to the test forum once I have it up and running.
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 02, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
:)

So, I think I've found us the beginnings of a new theme.

For the moment, I've changed the forum settings so that members can select their own theme.

For anyone who wants to help with testing, go to your profile, click modify profile, look and layout preferences and then select Bad Company 3.

I'm thinking that basic theme, only with the skulls and crossbones from the current theme and the old exploding Knucklehead Saloon logo up at the top where it now says Dudeworld.com.au.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 02, 2011, 12:46:21 PM
Oh and removing the annoying background image.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 02, 2011, 01:06:35 PM
:)

I'm a little time poor myself with a lunch to cook tomorrow and a week when I have two training courses and my boss arriving and staying here from Wednesday through Friday, but will take a look - I trust you to get it right anyway :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 02, 2011, 01:14:46 PM
:)

No, it's not my first dance with a SMF theme.

At the same time, it's always nice to have a second opinion.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 02, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
:)

Can you host up the suggestion so a few of us can take a look?

I'm not familiar with the way in the US but here we get a few MB of free space to play with so it's effectively an off-line site but can be viewed - here's an example from my new company that a developer mate is working on:

http://www.redcloud.net.au/RCtest01.html

That's not publicly view-able but useful for us to work together on getting the published site up - It's also weeks old, and is a lot more advanced now :)

Happy to look over your shoulder :)

Cheers

Edit: Oh, sorry, you already said you are going to do that, just pm the link to myself, Jeff and Kate, should be enough. :)





Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 02, 2011, 04:08:07 PM
Wooh!!!

Nice theme for Knuck, bit of personalisation, clean up some issues that  the theme probably addresses any way and look likes a winner to me :)

Comments ? :)

Cheers

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 02, 2011, 04:56:35 PM
Ok, played around for a bit - messages as in PMs need to be out on the bar, bit hard to find otherwise, I don't mind the background image, but your choice, and the jump to came right back - haven't tested quotes yet, but assume it will be the same :)

Will keep playing. :)

Cheers

edit: Just tested quote, look great :)

edit 2: And smilies are back :) What else was there Jeff? It's looking great Jamie :)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Whiteglove on July 02, 2011, 05:26:09 PM
 

Had a quick look.

 I will probably play around tonight - it might help me stay awake from 5pm till 5am!

 Cheers
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 02, 2011, 05:50:38 PM
 :)

Night shift?

It's looking great, trust Jamie, he knows what he's doing :)

Cheers

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 02, 2011, 08:37:08 PM
:)

I don't like the background image myself and I want to tweaks the colors for the quote tags a bit.

The current plan is to put that theme up somewhere that I have server access, customize it and then copy it over to here.

edit:

The quote tags are fine it's the stickies I don't like the looks of.

I think a chat with the CSS is in the near future.  ;:n
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Whiteglove on July 02, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
  I know you are still modifying Bad Company 3 but the stickies in the Knuck with the grey background are difficult to read.

  Cheers

   ;ao
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 02, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
:)

Yeah, I know.

I've not actually modified anything yet.

The Bad Company theme is entirely someone else's work.

I need to put together a test site, where I have server access and then I can start modifying that theme and then copy it back here.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 03, 2011, 02:51:20 AM
 :)

The very useful "new" link on the end of a thread title is not coming up in Chrome, would like that one sorted, and I'd guess you will need a "chat" with CSS to link it properly - it is one of the best nav features ever :)

Cheers

Edit: Had you noticed 2.0 Gold was released June 11? I think that was after Richo did the upgrade, worth a look :)

Cheers



Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 03, 2011, 07:40:04 AM
:)

You sure about the new thing not showing up?

It's showing up for me but it's not an icon, just the word new and the text kind of disappears into the background.

My plan is to replace that with the new image from the old theme.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 03, 2011, 07:42:37 AM
:)

Either 2.0 Gold is just another name for the same release or Richo did another upgrade I don't know about.

Regardless, according to the admin panel, we have the latest version available.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 03, 2011, 11:53:51 AM
 :)

Cool - I checked dates, it came out 11th, Richo upgraded 16th, so I guess we got the latest.

"New" in Chrome comes up as the generic "I'm an icon" thing, but it works, just doesn't say "new," trivial to fix :)

Cheers



Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 03, 2011, 02:44:56 PM
NEW works just fine in Opera .. /applies shotgun to chrome
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 03, 2011, 04:50:59 PM
:)

So, the first coat of paint is done.

I want to bring back the skulls we had before but need Richo for that. I should have been able to do that myself but it was doing my head in and so I finally gave up.

Simple to do from the server and so I'll pass that one off to Richo.

I know the stickies are fugly, going to work on that in the next day or two.

The smilies are back as is the jump to box, which I personally never use but it seems others do.

Please let me know of anything else that isn't working.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 03, 2011, 04:59:24 PM
:)

Something I should add...

Members will now see the profile button on the top right hand of the page and mods will also see the admin link there.

No, I don't know why someone would code a theme that way and I don't off the top of my head know how to move them back where they should be but I'll definitely be looking into that.

Also, as I said before, I'd really appreciate feedback from other members, especially those running something different from what I am.

I'm viewing the site with FF 4.0, running on Win 7 and I had a brief view with both IE and Opera, but I'd still appreciate feedback.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 03, 2011, 07:17:49 PM
ill do sum screen shots later, but the New post icon has now pbroken for me as well as Hm, i dont mind the admin tool up there so much, but i'd rather have an easier way of seeming my Pm's then haven to open it through the profile link :p
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 04, 2011, 01:32:26 AM
Yeah, the new thing never did work for me.

I see a link that says "new" but there's not an image and so the "new" kind of blends into the rest of the text.

That one's on the list, as well as replacing the new and no new post icons.

Problem there is, I don't have and don't want server access, Richo is flat out with real life, which is why I'm the one doing this in the first place and we're about 16 hours apart...



Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 04, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
yeah i'd ;like offer to help and all, but i have nfi about this shite :P, however i can point out shit you may have noticed, like for Eg:

at the bottom right below where your reading this.. yes thats it, look down :P ... the background color for the links ...

Move Topic
Remove Topic
Lock topic
Set topic sticky
Merge Topics
Link to Calendar


It doesnt extent all the way to the left, that or its the same color as the background, it seems to end right in the middle of the "set topic sticky" link .. also.. wtf is with the calendar link.. think we can shotgun that one :P

Im sure soon as i have time i'll look a lot more closely usen opera and point out many many more thinks ( or maybe i wont :P ) .

Appreciate your work Mc :)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 04, 2011, 05:15:34 PM
:)

Not my fault you're choosing to use a shitty browser,,,

Seriously, using FF, I'm having no trouble at all but come tomorrow, when I'm sober, I'll have a look with IE, Chrome and Opera.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 04, 2011, 05:34:25 PM
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc413/Sermy/General/img001.jpg)

thats what im talken about

and Fyi its the same in latest I.E and w/e version of chrome remains on my pc.
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Caelum on July 04, 2011, 06:34:13 PM
Meh, only affects mods. Unimportant.


;)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 05, 2011, 09:06:45 AM
:)

Looking at it with different browsers, I definitely see some things that need fixing.

I am not however able to duplicate dready's problem.

Using FF, IE and Chrome, I have no problem at all with mod buttons at the bottom of the page.

The only browser that gives me problems there is Opera and in my case, I'm not seeing those buttons at all.

Also, I just realized that none of the icons associated with membergroups are showing up in this theme.

As I said before, it's a work in progress.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 05, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
did you log in with opera.. i was going wtf in I.E .. then realized i hadnt logged in :P chrome remembered my last log in :p


i could update my version of chrome, but i dont like it enough to be bothered, hell its lucky to even still be installed :p
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 05, 2011, 10:25:59 AM
:)

Yeah, this is how it looks for me in Opera while logged in as an admin.

The only thing I see wrong is the Gatling gun icon for mods isn't showing up.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 05, 2011, 10:31:48 AM
:)

BTW, there are enough folks around here who use Opera that I certainly want whatever theme we end up with to be fully functional with Opera but I'm not seeing a problem on my end.


Here's a copy and paste of what Opera has to say about the version I'm using.

Version
10.00

Build
1750

Platform
Win32

System
Windows NT 6.1

Java
Java not installed

XHTML+Voice
Plug-in not loaded
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 05, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
:)

So, I figured out what I was doing wrong before.

With that, the skulls are back and from there, I think I will let things here be and  work on a final theme elsewhere and then copy it over here.

I know the little image that indicates a new post needs work as does the quote boxes.

Please let me know anything else that needs attention.

Edit: I forgot to mention, the images for the various membergroups are all kinds of fucked.

That is also on the list of thing to fix.


Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 05, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Version information
Version
11.10

Build
2092

Platform
Win32

System
Windows 7

XHTML+Voice
Plug-in not loaded

Browser identification

Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.8.131 Version/11.10




and i can still se the prob in your version, not as bad as mine but the blue bar clearly starts half way through the move topic link
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LogicprObe on July 05, 2011, 08:28:33 PM
I'll tell you what............the new version of Opera is chock full of new things that I actually use!!
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 05, 2011, 08:40:46 PM
haha actualy most of the stuff has been there all along, but lots of it used to be kinda hidden and hard to find :p, its come a long way since the 4.0 days :)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Wallacey on July 05, 2011, 08:43:26 PM
I'll tell you what............the new version of Opera is chock full of new things that I actually use!!

Like what? I'm curious as a fellow Opera user :-*

The smilies are back!
Thanks Macca :-*
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 06, 2011, 12:35:23 AM
:)

Yeah, the smilies are back.

I also just got back Richo's custom images for the various membergroups and the "new" icon for new posts.

I decided to go retro and use the spinning one from the old Knuck.

That should make Lorddread happy.  :-*
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 06, 2011, 12:55:46 AM
:)

Something else, I know a lot of the members here are tech minded but just want to mention something that I just tripped over myself.

Make sure you're viewing the latest version of the theme by clearing your browser cache.

For those who don't know, you do that by hitting Ctrl+F5.

As I said, I just tripped over that one myself and so I thought I'd give it a mention.

For those running Opera, I haven't changed anything that will help with the complaints you had but I'll have a look.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 06, 2011, 01:31:28 AM
LOL Jamie.. your a dead set legend mate  :)  :party:



and i wouldnt say there a complaint really, more of an observation, or an answer to your question of does anyone see anything wrong , and given that your testing this, it would be unfair to complain about stuff, specialy a bit of a dodgy formatting/color glitch.
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 06, 2011, 09:10:39 AM
 :)


Yeah, that is a little odd, a glitch in the theme I think - does just the same thing here in Chrome.

Cheers
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 06, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
lol damn just updated to 11.50 opera, and its gotten worse (unless you have made a change :p), the line now starts at the C in the "merge topic" link :p
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 06, 2011, 01:20:22 PM
:)

I'll update my somewhat old version of Opera and have a look.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 06, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Okies, well I'm really not seeing much difference.

I've had a look with FF 4.0, IE 8, Opera 11.5 and Chrome 12.0.742.112. All running on 32 bit Win 7.

Yeah, I can see slight differences in how different browsers are rendering the CSS but I honestly can't see anything to bitch about.

For anyone who does want to bitch, screenies would be helpful.  ::w


Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 06, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
yeah well i already given you one, plus the one you did, and with my description of the last you can get the picture, and again i aint bitchen, you asked for shit to be pointed out, and so, it was :p

but as you requested, here it is all rolled into one so its easy to see for you  :)

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc413/Sermy/General/barerrors.jpg)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 06, 2011, 05:59:17 PM
:)

Don't take the "bitching" comment too seriously.

I didn't mean it to be having a go at you.  :-*

I've already seen some of that in my own tests but in the end it comes down to a bit of color fade.

In all four browsers I tried, all of the functionality is there, the only difference is a bit of change in how it looks.

FF is rendering it the way I THINK it was meant to be in that it starts off as gray on black and fades to black on black.

I can try to get the same thing to happen with the other browsers but I can't make any promises.

I'm only doing this in the first place because I enjoy Knuck and I think Richo is a top bloke and since I do have the time I wanted to help him out.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Hardman on July 06, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
 :)


Chrome really is a bit polarising, not as flash as Opera but damned quick :)

All looks pretty good to me now :)

Messages is about the last thing it would be nice to have a short-cut to on the toolbar.

Cheers

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 07, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
:)

Yeah, I would prefer to have a my messages link on the top of the page.

I also neither like nor understand why the designer of this theme decided to stick the profile and admin buttons where they are.

I can look at moving some things around but that's a code hack and as I told Richo, while I do know my way around SMF, I'm no code monkey.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 07, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
:)

I'm working on tweaking the CSS.

Specifically aiming at the look for stickied topics and locked topics.

It's going to look like shit until I get it sorted and so bare with me.
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 07, 2011, 01:45:57 PM
:)

I've  tweaked the CSS  regarding how the locked and stickied topics look.

I've only looked at it with FF and so I'd appreciate feedback, especially from those using other browsers.




Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 11, 2011, 02:02:17 PM
:)

Please let me know if you notice any missing images so that I can fix them on the next theme update.

For example, under my name where there's a flaming bike. Everyone should have something there.

If you just see an * or a X then there's a image that hasn't made it over into the new theme.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 16, 2011, 10:37:09 AM
:)

A further refined version of the new theme is now up.

I replaced the spinning "new" icon with the skull one Rybags did for us.

I also added some of Richo's custom graphcis from the old theme that hadn't made it over to this one.

Oh and in one that maybe of interest to the Opera fanbois, I think I figured out the solution to your problem with the background color at the bottom of the page.

How does it look now?

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: Travesty on July 16, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
You've got the place looking good McC.

Rybags NEW icon looks great.

All round top stuff. :)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 16, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Thanks, glad you like it.  :-*
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 16, 2011, 03:35:56 PM
improved it,blue line shows how far you managed to get it to change.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc413/Sermy/General/gfx3.jpg)
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 17, 2011, 07:55:26 AM
:)

A couple of things there Dready...

I don't know what's happening on your end but what you're seeing is the opposite of what I'm seeing in terms of the colors.

I've attached a screenie, but what I'm seeing, with both FF and Opera is, it begins as a grayish color on the left and then fades to black as it moves right, which is part of the stock theme.

The other would be that while I can change that, it comes at the expense of the width of the forum.

Notice all of the empty black space outside the vertical lines?

That's all dead space that the forum could be expanded into but that would be going to how it was before.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 17, 2011, 08:29:15 AM
yeah i've just worked it out, its the screen res, works finer on my smaller crt @ 1280x1024, but is fucked soon as it goes to 1680x1050 of my main.
Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: McClean on July 17, 2011, 12:02:26 PM
Okay, well in the future, I might be able to tweak that a bit but in the here and now, the biggest monitor I have is 1280x1024 and so it would be a bit hard for me to know how it's looking at a bigger resolution.

A new monitor is in my relatively near future and so I'll have another look at it then.

Title: Re: Giving the Knuck a new coat of paint.
Post by: LordDread on July 17, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
yeah im getten a 22-22" 1080p monitor soon :p .. will replace the crappy old crt that getten very dark  rofl rofl