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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2012, 02:10:47 PM »
Hmm,

Long time since this thread had any input - I just had a day of sorting out a mate, wants to go back to it ,we just figured it out, he's 64....

I think that's enough, since he was at Keh San....

I don't think he is very happy with me just now, I pulled strings....so did others, his dog seems rather happy though :)

A mate is on his way, he'll settle, there is a time to leave the world of combat, his has come, I'll be there in  a few weeks, settle the "boy" down. :)

Warriors... we are all nuts you know, or we wouldn't do it, this guy needs a chill pill and a friend is on the way to administer - probably comes in a litre bottle of something, who cares ?  :)

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2012, 05:41:05 AM »
Hmm,

Been a long time since this thread saw any "action," but been reading this week how it's the 30th anniversary of the Falklands war and how it only lasted 79 days and really the death toll was less than you'd expect but Argentina STILL maintains sovereignty - it's up to the occupants, and they prefer being British thanks very much.

I don't know where 30 years went, feels like yesterday and I was on call-up, being rather Harrier experienced, but it was over before anyone got around to getting me a haircut :)

With what now sits at Stanley, a couple of ships of the realm in region and doubtless a Trafalgar class sub lurking around somewhere Argentina would be damned stupid to try anything, then again, they were last time.

All about money, the oil off the islands is becoming accessible and there's some interesting minerals in the nearby waters. I can't think of a single other reason for anyone to take any interest in the place - been there, for some reason the inhabitants like it, probably because it is not, ironically, a money driven economy, but people choose to live in odd places and I doubt the islanders would ever get much out of any mineral exploitation, or care very much.

Sometimes I could wish for that far simpler existence :)

I went and broke a vow to my wife this past ten days and brushed across the advisory field again, not in the least proud of myself, and quite enough on the plate just now, but, some idiots were making idiotic decisions, over now I think - fucking crazy world.

But, I do have a belief in looking after my friends, which most particularly includes this rather mad little clan :)

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2012, 08:49:44 PM »
Well, I should be in bed, been up all night, feeling like shit and I've an appointment in a few hours...

However, I happened across this song while looking for something else.

I'd never heard it before but I think it belongs here.

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2012, 12:56:43 PM »
Hmm,

Been a long time since this thread saw any "action," but been reading this week how it's the 30th anniversary of the Falklands war

OK this is not quite the right fit for this thread but it's not totally out of place...
This is by Split Enz, a Kiwi band, and it was banned in Britain and on the BBC during the Falklands war.
Indeed Chris it's amazing how the last thirty years have flown by pappychris.gif

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2012, 02:04:39 PM »
 :)

I remember that - Jamie would not know the band probably and you are quite correct NZ band, like so many, stolen by Oz when they did well :)

I don't know what 30 years is any more, I know what 90 minutes used to be, my life expectancy from roll to touch-down.

I guess I've said it before but perhaps not here, so many things able to kill you in the air, and that's before you rumble...

I think I'm being a little reflective - my wife had a very serious back operation about 18 months ago - this morning she woke up in agony - found a physio and I could not believe how long she was in there, maybe fibromyalgia is back - well, we beat it once, will do again, but tell you, seen less pain in my own face after they pulled a bullet out of me....  At least it is in a different area of her spine so not a re-occurrence, better not be, still paying for that.

Oh the joys of life... :)

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2012, 01:25:32 PM »
With ANZAC Day approaching our memories need jogging...I've recently been told where my Uncle Norman is buried so with some help from Google I've found some info about him & where he's buried.

http://www.bomberhistory.co.uk/49squadron/Roll%20of%20honour/Roll_N/Nixon_N.html



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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2012, 05:17:40 PM »
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Ouch...

I had one Uncle go storm those beaches, I think Jamie had two granddads do so, and beating all the odds they all survived.

Me. I just duck a lot, sometimes not quite quickly enough :)

Having re-awoken this thread I started musing on it again - that might not be healthy, but, Ii is an absolute anomaly that you never feel more alive than when you might be dead in five seconds...

I've heard it over and over from Vet after Vet and it took me a while to get off the fix...Very strange, I would like to extinguish war, so would most if not if all of my friends, but it seems in order to do that we have to go to war....

Sorry - too old, but I can pass the ammo :)

Eh, who am I trying to kid? just gimme an airplane :)

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2012, 08:58:43 AM »
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Ouch...

I had one Uncle go storm those beaches, I think Jamie had two granddads do so, and beating all the odds they all survived.



I was in the hospital both for that post and for ANZAC Day and so the reason for no reply from me.

Yeah, both of my grandfathers were combat veterans of World War Two and somehow survived.

My maternal grandfather was the more miraculous of the two. He was a US Army heavy machine gunner and his entire company was overrun by the Germans. He was among only a handful of survivors.

He also fought in Patton's counteroffensive in the Ardennes.

I never knew that grandfather but I was quite close to my paternal grandfather who was a US Navy radioman during the war and was in flight school when the war ended.

I don't know what ever happened to them but he had kept his notebooks from flight school.

He was doing calculations with a pencil and a slide rule that I don't know how to do with an electronic calculator.
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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2012, 09:25:57 AM »
 :)

Took me a little while to make that transition as well but my HPs serve me rather well these days. :)

It's amazing what happens in times of war, I kinda think Anzac Day should be retired, which is heretical, but, try taking away a public holiday :)

However as I remarked to a friend on the day we don't celebrate June 6th nor from an Oz perspective the battle of Long Tan, and I don't even know what date that commenced - could look it up I suppose, but in the end battles are about sadness.

Perhaps the reason Anzac Day endures is because the two major countries involved have significant respect for the stupidity of it, which is stupid in itself, but also admirable.

I'm probably just jaded, had to duck too often.

Just musing...

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2012, 05:23:11 PM »
:)
I kinda think Anzac Day should be retired, which is heretical, but, try taking away a public holiday :)

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Damn right it's heretical one of the reasons we celebrate ANZAC Day is because it's a permanent reminder of a British (Winston Churchill's)  fuck up.  Another is because it's possibly the most successful retreat ever...

:)

However as I remarked to a friend on the day we don't celebrate June 6th nor from an Oz perspective the battle of Long Tan, and I don't even know what date that commenced - could look it up I suppose, but in the end battles are about sadness.

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It may be heretical but what's the relevance of June 6th? (D Day?)
Long Tan Day is slowly achieving the significance it deserves...on August 18th

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2012, 10:58:53 AM »
 :)

Your thoughts echo mine my friend.

June 6th was indeed D Day, and you are dead right about Churchill and Anzac Cove, he never forgave himself, but it forged a spirit that led directly to Long Tan I suppose, one of the few successful campaigns against the Vietnamese, probably because it was handled by Aussies (Jamie will get me for that :) )

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2012, 09:56:47 PM »
Hmmm I once saw a documentary about Long Tan...the thing that stuck in my mind was a former digger saying;

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We won our Vietnam

On another forum (US based Harley forum someone lamented that they have no specific day on which to remember The Vietnam Veterans...they could do worse that chose August 18th.
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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2012, 02:40:16 AM »
I don't know about Aussies, but Vietnam is a rather difficult one for Americans.

Most of us want to remember and honor the veterans while trying very hard to forget the war itself.

All of these years later, you can't pick up an American newspaper on Dec. 7 and not see a fairly prominent mention of Pearl Harbor, even though that was hardly a high point of American history but few people go out of their way to remember say the fall of Saigon.

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« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2012, 10:14:03 AM »
It's much the same in Australia Jamie, I wan't even here, although I was briefly there but just how we were, or for that that matter how the US was dragged into a war the French had already lost is an object lesson in how to stay out of other peoples affairs.

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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2012, 12:32:45 PM »
August 18th Long Tan day.
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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2012, 05:13:15 PM »
So true, although that one went on a while.

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2012, 07:31:28 PM »
The last of the Few
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Flight Lieutenant William Walker, who has died aged 99, was shot down in his Spitfire during the Battle of Britain and wounded. Late in his life, having become the oldest surviving pilot of the Battle, he wrote poetry in memory of his fellow aircrew.

Flight Lieutenant William Walker
6:24PM BST 22 Oct 2012
During the late morning of August 26 1940, Walker and his squadron colleagues of No 616 (South Yorkshire) Auxiliary Squadron were scrambled from Kenley to intercept a raid of 40 enemy bombers approaching Dover. Too low to attack the raiders, the squadron turned north to gain height but were ambushed by a large formation of Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters.
Within minutes, three Spitfires had been shot down. As Walker attacked a Bf 109 his Spitfire was hit from behind and he was wounded in the leg. The controls were shot away and Walker was forced to bail out at 20,000ft. He landed in the English Channel very close to a sandbank, which he was able to reach. Shortly afterwards, suffering from hypothermia, he was picked up by a fishing boat.
A large crowd cheered as he was landed at Ramsgate, but the badly damaged hospital there was unable to deal with his wound. He was taken instead to an RAF hospital where a .303 bullet was removed from his ankle, a souvenir he kept for the rest of his life.
The son of a brewer, William Louis Buchanan Walker was born in Hampstead on August 24 1913. After leaving Brighton College, where he was a contemporary of the actor Sir Michael Hordern, he joined his father in the brewery trade.
Walker joined the RAF Volunteer Reserve at Oxford in September 1938 to train as a pilot. Called up on the outbreak of war, he completed his training before joining No 616, based near Beverley in East Yorkshire, where the squadron’s task was to guard the industrial cities of the north.
The month of August saw an increased tempo of fighting as the Battle of Britain intensified. On the 15th, the Luftwaffe launched a major attack from Norway and Denmark against the north of England. No 616 was scrambled and intercepted a large force of bombers approaching the Yorkshire coast.
Walker, who had only recently joined, flew on the wing of his section leader as they attacked the force. By the end of the engagement, six enemy bombers had been shot down. Four days later, No 616 moved to Kenley, where Walker was immediately in action.
He returned to flying after six months’ treatment, joining an aircraft ferry unit before transferring to No 116 Squadron on anti-aircraft co-operation duties. He was released from the RAF in September 1945 and received the Air Efficiency Award.
Post-war, he returned to the brewing trade and rose to become chairman of Ind Coope, a role previously held by his father. He never lost his liking for a pint.
In later life, Walker was a strong supporter of the Battle of Britain Memorial Trust. Fit and well into old age, he was ever-present at the annual service of remembrance held at the memorial at Capel-le-Ferne overlooking the English Channel in Kent, which always concluded with him stepping forward and reciting, in a strong voice, one of his poems.
Best known is Our Wall, written to celebrate the stone inscription of the names of 2,937 members of The Few. During the 70th anniversary commemorations in July 2010, the Patron of the Trust, Prince Michael of Kent, unveiled a copy of the poem, carved and sited alongside the wall it describes. To great acclaim, Walker then read the poem, which describes the “many brave unwritten tales/That were simply told in vapour trails”.
His poems were published in 2011 with the proceeds donated to the Battle of Britain Memorial Trust.
William Walker married Claudine Walker, one of the Mawby triplets, in August 1941. They separated later in life and she died in September 2012. They had seven children, including Tim Walker, Mandrake columnist at the Telegraph. Two children predeceased them.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/air-force-obituaries/9626438/Flight-Lieutenant-William-Walker.html











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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2012, 03:13:07 AM »
Lest we forget indeed.

When I was in ROTC I was honored and privileged to march with men who were veterans of the First World War.

Too many people forget that we owe our lives to men who risked and in many instances, gave theirs.

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2013, 02:57:17 PM »

This is a photo of my old man (step father) & his crew from NZ 18th Armoured Regiment in Italy in 1943 at a place called Sangro.



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That's him sitting in by the gun barrel I recently found a youtube clip taken at the same time, on the left up the hill on the other side of the bridge you just about see a movie camera set up.
The film clip shows the photographer taking this photo...



Any way if you can be bothered watching that's my old man at about 5.01-5.12 minutes into the clip.

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« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2013, 03:23:12 PM »

Any way if you can be bothered watching that's my old man at about 5.01-5.12 minutes into the clip.

McClean my step father was more of an influence on my life than my biological father.

Any idiot who can't manage to find sub-10 minutes to watch a film about men who fought and died for our freedom is just that, an idiot.

My paternal grandfather was far more of an influence on me than my own father was and so I totally understand what you're saying there.

I MAY have told you this before but my maternal grandfather was a heavy machine gunner in the US Army during World War Two and as irony would have it, his name was William Walker...

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« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2013, 05:09:10 PM »
:)

Very interesting clip, surprising how these seem to re-surface, courtesy of the Net I guess.

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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2013, 09:43:34 PM »
Ahead of tomorrow 11/11/13




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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2013, 10:20:12 PM »
Jesus fucking Christ!!!

It took a LOT of hair pulling, teeth gnashing and computer geek skills but the videos are ALL working again.

Please send me a PM if any video isn't working.

Also, PLEASE send me the address of the assshat who played around with the embed code for my videos,

I'd LOVE to hop on a plane and go have a "chat" with him.

To be clear, this wasn't anything malicious or any one person it was just youtube changed their code and our code embed mod didn't know how to read it.

After I finished pulling out the hair I don't have in the first place, I finally figured out what the fuck the problem was.

I manually recoded it and I'll look around for a new embed mod but that was the problem. youtube changed their code and it wasn't compatible with our embed mod.

PLEASE let me know if there are any more problems. This thread is too important to die but right now, everything seems to be okay.
 

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« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2013, 05:54:24 AM »
We will remember them
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Re: Wars and the men who fight them...
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2013, 06:37:53 AM »
Indeed, although I have another reason these days, it's my wedding anniversary.

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