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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #125 on: September 24, 2009, 10:38:21 AM »
No one having a guess?

The clues are pretty comprehensive, I'd have thought built on an "Island" would have been quite sufficient :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #126 on: September 24, 2009, 01:36:42 PM »
Slightly off topic, but can someone explain this aircraft. No, it's not been 'shopped. If it helps, those're sand dunes you can see in the background. (Obviously not much help for Jamie, of course).



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I'd say that same thing as Uncle Chris...

It's an F-4.

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #127 on: September 24, 2009, 01:47:23 PM »
No one having a guess?

The clues are pretty comprehensive, I'd have thought built on an "Island" would have been quite sufficient :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #128 on: September 24, 2009, 02:58:27 PM »
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Not just yet.....

Isle of Wight, and the third engine, when added was in a decidely odd location :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #129 on: September 24, 2009, 03:13:15 PM »
I never would have considered the Isle of Wight as a place that aircraft were manufactured.

BN-2A Mk.III G-BDWV Trislander.

That engine certainly looks like an afterthought, like you mentioned.

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #130 on: September 24, 2009, 03:26:06 PM »
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Well, that was a later addition to the Islander, needed more power for bigger work.

Never flown a Trilander, have an Islander, nice little bird, but yeah Isle of Wight was an odd place to build airplanes :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #131 on: September 25, 2009, 03:53:31 AM »
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I think it's probably my turn again as well.

A twin engine jet from Hardman's dinosaur generation. Built by a company that isn't known for jets.
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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #132 on: September 25, 2009, 01:48:21 PM »
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Now, I was going to say Cessna, but they have that long line of Citations, so I'll suggest Piper and try to recall the model, since I prefer my memory over Goggle :)

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« Reply #133 on: September 25, 2009, 02:05:23 PM »
There are times when you should trust your first instinct... ;)
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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #134 on: September 25, 2009, 02:07:46 PM »
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In that case the Cessna -37, the Dragonfly, great counter-insurgence airplane. :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #135 on: September 25, 2009, 02:19:56 PM »
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Yep. also used as a trainer and actually built for that role.

BUT, it could also get in low and close and ruin your whole day, which would have been my next clue.  :-*
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« Reply #136 on: September 25, 2009, 04:32:11 PM »
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Lovely little toy :)

As the T-37 it trained generations of pilots, but it was damned effective as a COIN platform :)

Kinda prefer the T-38 I must admit, but I like going super :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #137 on: September 25, 2009, 09:56:36 PM »
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Whilst Wallcey gets another one going - Mini-jet, designed for training, went to the wars, and yet again, I've flown it :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #138 on: September 26, 2009, 08:26:39 AM »
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Another one from me as well.

I'm in the process of cleaning up my bookmarks and I had this one saved.

Carrier based attack fighter.  Was used in combat, but NOT by its country of origin.
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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #139 on: September 28, 2009, 03:17:54 PM »
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Well, that kinda excludes anything American.... :)

Sounds French ?

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #140 on: September 29, 2009, 12:02:32 AM »

Sounds French ?

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It does, doesn't it?

Another clue would be, built by a country better known for loosing wars.

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #141 on: September 29, 2009, 05:32:48 AM »
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Well then that is entirely French - and if carrier based must be post WWII.

So, that would make it the Super Entendard, as used by Argentina in the Falklands.

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« Reply #142 on: September 29, 2009, 01:57:52 PM »
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The irony is rich...

France and England warred for centuries...

Today, France is too scared to say boo to a goose...

And yet...

The first British warship lost to enemy action in about 40 years, was sunk by a French built fighter, firing a French built missile.

The aircraft in question, is of course, the Super Etendard.

And now, it would seem, it's your turn, yet again.  :-*
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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #143 on: September 29, 2009, 02:43:26 PM »
Hmm,

Yeah, they make beautiful airplanes, they really do, you well know of my love for the Mirage and I ache to fly Rafale - never flown an Entendard, navy stuff, not my thing, but it is a pretty, and very effective airplane.

Exocet is probably the best anti-ship missile in the world, although Harpoon would come close.

Mind you, the brits hardly helped themselves by building ships out of combustible aluminium and issuing nylon uniforms to its sailors...

According to all the evidence the strike that sunk Sheffield didn't even detonate, kinetic energy and left over fuel were quite enough. There is also some evidence to suggest she had nukes on board, if so they are at the bottom of the South Atlantic. Somewhat scary to think how many of the damned things are laying around in the ocean...

I don't, for a change, have any information to add to those thoughts, had very little to do with that war beyond a bit of Harrier lore engagement, bloody silly war anyway, but most are in the end.

I actually have one running up there that no one has answered yet, so I'll add a clue.

It too has been to the wars, again not in the colours of its nation of origin, and for a pint sized little critter it did damned well.

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #144 on: September 29, 2009, 04:30:56 PM »


Mind you, the brits hardly helped themselves by building ships out of combustible aluminium and issuing nylon uniforms to its sailors...



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You have a bit of a misconception there...

A common one, but a misconception nonetheless.

Sheffield's superstructure contained no aluminum at all, it was entirely steel and regardless, it's highly unlikely that a ship of that relatively small size, could survive a direct hit from an Exocet.

Also, the Exocet that hit Sheffield, did so perfectly, in that in knocked out main power and automated fire suppression systems.

You are right about the uniforms of course and another change that affected both RN and USN...

If you even think you MIGHT be under missile attack, you turn toward the threat, accelerate to full speed and launch chaffe.

As opposed to, sitting there, waiting to see what's going to happen...



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« Reply #145 on: September 29, 2009, 06:36:45 PM »
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Interesting - you got that from Wiki I guess?

Every history of the Falklands that I have, which is quite a few, mention aluminium - and I'm pretty sure I recall that being mentioned during the construction phase of that class of ship.

They had very little warning though - sea-skimmers are damned hard to detect in time and I don't recall Sheffield having CWIS. Chaff may or may not have distracted the Exocet, they are narrow band in the terminal phase, with a very narrow lobe.

Mind you - I know not anywhere near as much about ships as I do about airplanes :)

So, to add another clue for mine - Used by the Red Arrows :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #146 on: September 30, 2009, 12:31:40 AM »
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You're confusing different ships.

Keep in mind, I'm not an expert on ships or on the Falklands.

But, from what I've read, Sheffield was an entirely steel superstructure. There were some other smaller ships, two I think, that were also sunk. They DID have aluminum superstructures, but that's not why they sank.

A ship the size of say a frigate, isn't likely to survive a direct hit from a missile or multiple bombs. Regardless of what it's made out of.

To use a contemporary example, it took a LOT of damage control to keep USS Cole from sinking and that was from just one bomb.

Back to the Falklands though. If you're inclined to delve into it, there is a bit of information from British sailors who were there regarding the design of the ships in general, failure of automated fire suppression systems, what they saw as poor damage control decisions, etc.

Also, sea-skimmers are hard to detect of course, but you also have to look at the tech of the time and even by the standards of the time, at least some of the British ships didn't exactly have up to date equipment.

At least one of the British ships that was sunk, was actually sunk by bombs, not by a missile. Two aircraft got close enough to drop bombs.

I REALLY wouldn't recommend trying that with an modern warship equipped with  Aegis or something similar.
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« Reply #147 on: September 30, 2009, 10:19:04 AM »
Hmm,

Antrim was sunk in San Carlos, she definitely had a lot of aluminium - was sunk by multiple bomb hits, couldn't manouvre, but held the line for the landings.

Coventry, of the same class as Sheffield was also lost to bombs.

AEGIS is superb, but the Royal Navy just didn't have it and didn't really have a single ship that could have supported it anyway.

It has taken well over twenty years but one thing that did evolve from that crazy war was battle-net - half the problems the Navy had were more to do with incompatible comms than anything else. I'm not at my library but I'll dig out some titles I think you would enjoy, they'll be cheap as chips these days.

So many things about that war - Invincible was actually sold to Oz - we never got her -the Argentine bombs were poorly fused, more than once a direct hit bounced off without exploding, by the end of it Exocet was less of a threat, they knew how to respond to it, Glamorgan survived because of that.

I'm doing this all from memory, will fill it in better later :)

Now, what lovely little jet am I referring to? :)

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Re: What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« Reply #148 on: September 30, 2009, 01:23:26 PM »


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Now, what lovely little jet am I referring to?  :)


 


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Why do you keep asking that?

I thought this was let's review the Falklands war thread and you keep asking about airplanes?  rofl

Since you insist,  I think your "lovely little jet," shares its name with a small insect.  :-*

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« Reply #149 on: September 30, 2009, 02:03:16 PM »
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It does indeed - I once had to fly one - inverted - under some power lines to get out of the weather.

The Folland Gnat, as used by the Arrows until they switched to Hawks, the RAF as primary fighter trainer and the Indian Air Force during wars with Pakistan.

Guess that means you need to puzzle us again.

To return to the Falklands though it is a fascinating war to reflect back upon, I was out of uniform by then, really did wish I had been there, more to have protected friends than anything else. It is intriguing to read the various accounts from different perspectives, funnily enough it is the soldier tales that I find the most interesting, although Sharky Ward's account of the air war - "Sea Harrier over the Falklands" is one damned good read.

Oh, and Woodward's reflection is a pile of crap :)

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