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What aircraft am I ? V 3.0
« on: August 21, 2009, 04:44:32 AM »
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This thread had already pretty much died, even before Knuck II got killed and so, I thought I'd try reviving it.
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 04:49:19 AM »
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This is a copy and paste of Chris' initial post in the 2.0 thread, as well as a somewhat incomplete list of the aircraft featured to date.




I think we lost a few, but no matter, and, Lancer can come in any time and own this, it's his.

Simple rules:

Post a few clues, not TOO enigmatic or Blackie welds your balls to the wall

Make it an aircraft, any aircraft, plenty to go around, just looking to identify from the clues

(Avoid getting from Google, WG will kill ya, fast!! :-) )

No probs with more than one in play at a time, its just for fun....


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Note the list is more than somewhat incomplete. I last updated it in July of last year...





And here are the aircraft we've had so far. Thanks to Urbanterra for putting this list together. I'll do my best to keep it up to date.

1902 Wright Glider
A-3 Skywarrior
Aeritalia G 91 Y
Aeronca
Aichi Seiran
AMX. Developed by Brazil and Italy.
Atlas Cheetah
Augusta Westland EH101
Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar
Beagle Pup
Beech 17 Staggerwing
Beechcraft Starship
Bell FM1 Airacuda
Bell X-22
Blackburn Buccaneer
Blackburn Roc
Brequet Atlantic
C-130 Hercules
Caproni Ca.4
Cavalier F-51
Cessna T-50
Convair 880/990
Convair C-131 Samaritan
Convair F2Y Sea Dart.
Convair XFY-1 Pogo
Curtis C-46 Commando
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
Dassault IIIV Balzac
Dassault-Breguet/Dornier Alpha Jet
De Havilland Comet / Nimrod
De_Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
DO-17
Dornier Do X
F-102
Fairchild C-123 Provider
Fairey Albacore
Fairey Delta 2
Fairey Gannet
flettner fl-282 kolibri
FMA Pucara
Fokker T-2
Fokker T-VIII
Ford Trimotor
Gee Bee
Gotha GIVe
Gotha Go P.60A
Grumman AF-2S Guardian
Handley-Page HP 42
Hawker-Siddeley HS121 Trident
Hawker Hart
HF-24 MARUT
HK-1 (H-4) Hercules Flying Boat
Hughes H-1 Racer
Ikarus C42
K-7 Giant, also designated as "K-Tjazholij"
Lavochkin La-5
LearAvia LearFan
Maia Mercury
Mister Mulligan
Mitsubishi F-2
Monocoupe 70
Mooney M 20
Nieuport 17
Nieuport 28
Norseman IV
North American B-45 Tornado
Northrop F5G / F-20
OV-10 Bronco
Pilatus PC-6 Porter
Piper Enforcer
Questair Venture
Rockwell  XFV-12
Ryan PT-22
Saab 105
Saab J-35 Draken
Saab J-37, the Viggen
Saunders-Roe Princess
Shin Meiwa PS-1 / US-1
Short Bros Sunderland
Short SC.7 Skyvan
Socata Rallye
Sopwith Camel
TANTK Beriev VVA-14
Transavia PL-12 Airtruk
Tu-28
Vought A-7 & A-7E Corsair II
Vought F-7 Cuttlass
Vultee XP-54 Swoose Goose
Wallis type WA-117 autogyro G-AXAR
Westland Lysander
Westland P.12 Lysander
Wirraway
X26A Frigate
XA 889 Vulcan
XB38
Yakolev Yak-40



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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 04:57:35 AM »
:)

Now, for our first aircraft for V 3.0...

I was the last aircraft of my type and never saw combat, despite 30 years of service.
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 01:29:04 PM »
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Nice one - the love/hate relationship I had with the EE Lightning would kinda qualify for that, but I somehow doubt it is what you are thinking of... ;)

I'll chuck another one in to get things ramped up again -

Designed for nuclear strike, supersonic at sea level, saw some combat, moved into a recon role very successfully.

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 03:08:04 PM »
chris: b-1b?

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 03:18:10 PM »
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Not that one mate, older and smaller.


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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2009, 06:01:29 AM »
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Nice one - the love/hate relationship I had with the EE Lightning would kinda qualify for that, but I somehow doubt it is what you are thinking of... ;)




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Nope, but from the same era.

A beautiful aircraft and a design that isn't seen today.

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2009, 07:51:42 PM »
B-58 Hustler?
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2009, 07:56:30 PM »
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For me MrW?

If so, sorry no, never really lasted long enough to go recon, and most certainly never saw combat - Nuke bomber pure and simple :)

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2009, 09:59:36 AM »
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I'm not sure you'd pick something so obvious, but the thought does occur...

The US version of the Canberra bomber does seem to fit the clues.  ::w
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2009, 10:11:47 AM »
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The Martin B-57?

Not supersonic at any altitude and not really intended for toting nukes. :) It did however of course evolve into an excellent recon platform as the RB-57, so I see where you are coming from, but no.

the aircraft that I am thinking of was also in many ways the last of its kind, incorporated a lot of radical, for its time, technology, and could outrun an F-4 if the F-4 was carrying external stores - the aircraft had no need to carry external loads although originally it did have two wing pylons for tanks but they were not  taken through to the service versions.

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2009, 10:29:16 AM »
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the aircraft that I am thinking of was also in many ways the last of its kind, incorporated a lot of radical, for its time, technology, and could outrun an F-4 if the F-4 was carrying external stores -





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And used the same engines...

The A-5 Vigilante.
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2009, 11:40:28 AM »
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Indeed it did.... Nice one.

It was a beautiful aircraft, I wish I could have flown one, although I was bemused to read once of there being a few occasions where fuel tanks stored in the rearward ejecting weapons bay were sometimes punched back onto the deck of carriers during a catapult launch and caused fires. It had a lot of similarities to the BAC TSR-2, an aircraft I still curse the British Government of the day for cancelling....

As to your mystery aircraft, more clue needed I think, but, I'll take a stab at  the Mirage IV.

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2009, 12:15:42 PM »
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PM returned....

As for my mystery aircraft...

Nope, not anywhere close to a Mirage IV.

You were much closer with your earlier guess of the Lightning.

My bird is of the same era and played the same role...
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2009, 12:35:10 PM »
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In that case it sounds very much like the F-106, specifically the -A I suppose, with full area ruling.

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2009, 08:33:02 PM »
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We really must do a better job of keeping this thread going...

Yes indeed, the F-106 is what I had in mind. A beautiful aircraft, the last pure interceptor built by the US and also one of the last, if not the last delta wing designs.

I had a book back in the 80s, I no longer have it and I have no idea what the title was, built it was filled with beautiful glossy pictures of then current US aircraft, mostly teen series fighters.

That book was my first introduction to the F-106, which was very much out of time and place, but was still in use by some Air Guard squadrons and so it found a place in the book.

It seems we both now need to come up with a new aircraft.   ::w
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2009, 07:35:14 AM »
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Well, I was waiting for you.... :)

The -106 was an interesting aircraft - really a counter doomsday weapon and as such could carry both the Falcon and Genie missiles, which were or could be nuclear tipped. Days of MAD :)

Not to belabour a point but you get a glimpse of them launching missiles in "Fail Safe."

Deltas are still around though mate, Rafale is a pretty good example, it just grew a moustache ;)

There is no denying though the purity and beauty of the lines of the -106 and I asume you know that really it was a re-engineered -102, the earlier design having proven an under-performer and leading to the evolution of area rule concepts, mostly developed at Dryden and Ames?

I'll be back with a new one in a few hours, once I have had a think :)

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2009, 04:24:56 PM »
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In an era of the incredible B-2, I wonder, can anyone name the world's first tail-less airplane - without Googling?

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2009, 08:06:57 AM »
yb - 23?

gah, just googles, not even in the ballpark...
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2009, 10:19:12 AM »
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It's an intriguing one Ned - I only know of it from a book I've had for years but reminded of it by another book recently given to me.

More clue:

A totally stable aircraft - so much so that a rather reckless pilot once walked out onto the wing leaving the aircraft to fly itself.

A biplane - that should assist :)

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2009, 11:16:13 AM »
gahh!

"something"-9

I can see the damn image in my head!
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2009, 12:12:38 PM »
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I THINK I know...

Did a Google to confirm and I actually found it to be a bit inconclusive.

But, there were a lot of experiments with flying wing designs in the early days of aviation.

The aviation pioneer I'm thinking of was from the same Kingdom as you, but a different Isle.

Am I close?


BTW, my comment regarding the F-106 being the last of the delta wings, was aimed at US aircraft, I wasn't talking about the world as a whole, but that aside, I'm really not sure there are any current delta wing designs.

You  say the Rafale is a good example, in the same vein, there's the Typhoon, but I personally don't think of either one as being a true delta wing.

While we're on the subject, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the Rafale?

My impression is, a very capable multi-role fighter, that ironically, is built by a country that hasn't won a war in the past century...


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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2009, 12:29:21 PM »
Got it, but I had to use Google to do it.
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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2009, 12:56:55 PM »
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So one or both of you had best post another :)

After you 'fess up of course :)

Interesting Jamie, the US did stop with deltas after the -106, although there have been some interesting one-offs at Edwards, including one that was tailless :)

The French probably understand deltas better than anyone, the Mirage series being long and highly capable, Rafale may be the last of the line, it depends on where they go next in looking at what developments are occuring in oter countries' design bureaus.

I have not flown it, but I'm told by those that have that essentially it is a Mirage IIIC on steroids with better air-to-ground capability, that probably comes from a lower wng loading and the steroids bit from engine and avionics advancements.

The French get a lot of caning for their lack of war-winning i suppose - I'm kinda glad of that given my country of birth warred with them for centuries but their weapons makers have rarely been behind the game. The Mirage was key to the '67 ME war that Israel won, it faired far less well against Harriers in Falklands, but the F1 variant proved okay in Chad, although not air-to-air.

In summary if you offered me Rafale or anything from an F-15 to an F-22 I'd be buying American, although there are trade-offs and I'd likely exempt anything with a -18 in its model number :)

In the end, despite all of the advancements it is the pilot, missiles are fine, but they can be beaten, you get to guns and the best pilot wins.

Now, hows about an answer?  :)

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Re: What aircraft I'm at V 3.0
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2009, 03:08:44 PM »
It's up to McClean, I know less about aircraft than I do about tryin to tune a late model car... (neighbour's young fella is a plane nut and I actually listened last week)
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